electric-vehicles-cars-bikes.blogspot.com White Zombie Datsun 1200 Electric drag car. Runs 2 x Advanced DC motors with Zilla controler through a full length transmission.
The US has (or at least had) cheap gas for many years because of our govt. working hand in hand with the petrol lobbies. Gas isn’t cheap in the rest of the world, that’s why Euro cars, with their tiny engines, were beating the pants of American muscle cars. The lack of cheap disposable energy resulted in smarter engineering and getting more bang from limited sized engines. Now, if our asshole govt. funded electrical technology it would bring the costs down. Come on! you know that!
And those of us who can’t afford the conversion (looks like these guys have TONS of sponsors), would spend even more money trying to afford gas (because gas prices would greatly increase due to a dramatic decrease in gasoline purchases).
You need to know the operating speed to figure how much actual output the engine can create. HP = Torque(In LBS/FT) X 5252. So seeing a torque graph will tell you how the energy comes out of the engine and a HP figure, A HP figure can tell you the actual performance when applied to gears and the ground. HP is actual power, torque is just an unmastered measurement of output.
wrd on the wire is that theres an electric datsun out there runnin on no emissions once so evr thats actually runnin 4.2 on the 1/4 mile does n e 1 kno where i can find the vid that car at????
1) All M1 cells are 50C according to A123 specs and that is what they sell to Dewalt.
2) A Dewalt ‘pack’ contains 10x M1 cells and they’re all over ebay for $100 which is $10 a cell. Killacycle are sponsored by A123 so get a steep discount.
Standard Li-ion 18650 cells 3.8v @ 2400mAh cost around $3 a cell, again check ebay. Times $3 by 6800 and you get approx the cost of the 50kw/hr pack in the Tesla. Works out at about $4000 for 10kw/hr.
The ’street’ price to buy A123 cells in Dewalt power tool pack form is about $10 per cell (10 cells per pack) off ebay.
The custom made BMS has to balance at 3.8v and also must monitor and alarm min volts at 2v for each parallel group of cells and monitor pack temp and alarm at 60C.
Bear in mind to get 380v you need 110 cells in series and Killacycle run 11 parallel giving a total of 1210 cells to get approx 10kw/hr.
How much do they sell individual cells for? Do you have to have a minimum purchase? You mean a balancing circuit for each individual cell right? and heat and monitoring system built into the pack?
Well that’s the trick with EVs. No one makes and sells these Li-ion A123 battery packs, they’re all backyard jobs. I think this one is an old Killacycle pack off an early version of their bike.
The problem is there’s no ‘off-the-shelf’ BMS for this kind of set up so you’ll need to design, make and test a 1000 cell BMS yourself before A123 will sell to you.
A123 do sell a 5kw/hr pack to convert Prius to plug-in for $10,000 but 10-20kw/hr is about the Min needed for an EV.
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
i wish I was able to convert my Chevy cavalier to EV!
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
John is a true American!!
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
Sort of but they sure as hell won’t do that. They’d rather bail out the companies that make big gas consumers.
I thought that if less people were buying it, that the prices would go up. They’d have to increase the prices to meet the original profit margin.
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
The US has (or at least had) cheap gas for many years because of our govt. working hand in hand with the petrol lobbies. Gas isn’t cheap in the rest of the world, that’s why Euro cars, with their tiny engines, were beating the pants of American muscle cars. The lack of cheap disposable energy resulted in smarter engineering and getting more bang from limited sized engines. Now, if our asshole govt. funded electrical technology it would bring the costs down. Come on! you know that!
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
We’d pay our asses off in batteries man.
And those of us who can’t afford the conversion (looks like these guys have TONS of sponsors), would spend even more money trying to afford gas (because gas prices would greatly increase due to a dramatic decrease in gasoline purchases).
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
Too bad our idiot ex president didn’t have the same reaction after the twin tower attacks. If he did, this world would be a better place
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
I need one of these engines for my Datsun 610 and my Datsun 710!!!! help me out Electro 1200!!!
Jaime.
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
if they would kick you off the track for having no roll bar then put one in you idiot
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
You need to know the operating speed to figure how much actual output the engine can create. HP = Torque(In LBS/FT) X 5252. So seeing a torque graph will tell you how the energy comes out of the engine and a HP figure, A HP figure can tell you the actual performance when applied to gears and the ground. HP is actual power, torque is just an unmastered measurement of output.
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
800 foot pounds of torque = way cool. How much horsepower and what rpm does the motor spin to?
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
4.2 that’s obviously BS
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
wrd on the wire is that theres an electric datsun out there runnin on no emissions once so evr thats actually runnin 4.2 on the 1/4 mile does n e 1 kno where i can find the vid that car at????
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
Only 2 words come to mind…
HELL YEAH!
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
i wanna do that to a car, i wanna ELECTRIFY IT!
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
Also if you have off peak power you can charge the car at half price overnight and run the house off cheap power during the day.
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
One good thing about your ride is if your house looses power you plug it into your car.
HA HA
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
this kicks ass hah i live in portland i saw this car it’s a lot faster in person!
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
What kind of rear end setup are you running to old up with the torque?
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
1) All M1 cells are 50C according to A123 specs and that is what they sell to Dewalt.
2) A Dewalt ‘pack’ contains 10x M1 cells and they’re all over ebay for $100 which is $10 a cell. Killacycle are sponsored by A123 so get a steep discount.
Standard Li-ion 18650 cells 3.8v @ 2400mAh cost around $3 a cell, again check ebay. Times $3 by 6800 and you get approx the cost of the 50kw/hr pack in the Tesla. Works out at about $4000 for 10kw/hr.
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
Low end LiFePo4, can be had for $2/AH or $6,500 for a 10kw/h pack, these are limited to 10C tho, or 100kw. expect about 1000cycles
Mid range LiFePo4 can be had for $3/AH or $10,000 for a 10kw/h pack, these are limited to 30C or 300kw. expect 2000cycles
Top of the range A123, or nano will cost you alot, Dewalt do not sell top of the range A123, they are fitted with a budget variety.
A123 60C batts cost about $20 per cell.
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
Famous for fastest electric car and coining phrase Exploding dinosaur juice. The american dream baby
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
The ’street’ price to buy A123 cells in Dewalt power tool pack form is about $10 per cell (10 cells per pack) off ebay.
The custom made BMS has to balance at 3.8v and also must monitor and alarm min volts at 2v for each parallel group of cells and monitor pack temp and alarm at 60C.
Bear in mind to get 380v you need 110 cells in series and Killacycle run 11 parallel giving a total of 1210 cells to get approx 10kw/hr.
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
How much do they sell individual cells for? Do you have to have a minimum purchase? You mean a balancing circuit for each individual cell right? and heat and monitoring system built into the pack?
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
Well that’s the trick with EVs. No one makes and sells these Li-ion A123 battery packs, they’re all backyard jobs. I think this one is an old Killacycle pack off an early version of their bike.
The problem is there’s no ‘off-the-shelf’ BMS for this kind of set up so you’ll need to design, make and test a 1000 cell BMS yourself before A123 will sell to you.
A123 do sell a 5kw/hr pack to convert Prius to plug-in for $10,000 but 10-20kw/hr is about the Min needed for an EV.
May 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am
What company did he get the lithium pack from and for how much?